So I just put together a sketchy Family Tree for the Eklunds, starting with Jorgen and I've come up with a really Wild, but I think at least semi-valid idea ...

Since Jorgen Eklund really believed in superior genetics, he probably thought that he had superior genes so would probably have contributed his genetics for multiple progeny, as in possibly many, many progeny combined with multiple others.

Fian's Grandfather is never referenced, is he? Makes me wonder just how his own children were raised?

Was there other children that he claimed as his own that weren't really his, genetically? (He initially claimed Jarra and Draco as his) what if Fian isn't really genetically an Eklund?

Fian's Great Uncle is mentioned as he is the one that contributed the machine to record and restore Jarra's brain waves/memories/or whatever. The Grandfather should be of an age with Jarra and Draco, too .. as well as the Uncle.

There really isn't anywhere to go with these wild idea right now, since we really don't have much to go on, yet!

So if anyone else wants to spout wild theories about Jorgen or the Apprentices, go right ahead.

2360 –

• Keira Helena O’Shaughnessy born

2375 –

• Keira’s family immigrates off-world, discovering that Keira has immune syndrome and is sent back to Earth. Her parents and two younger brothers continue on to Beta Sector.

2380-85 –

• Keira and Sean Donnelly marry.

2402 –

• Seamus Donnelly betrays the alliance and leaves Earth for Pyrrhus, Beta Sector. Changes his name to Seamus Blaze

2408-2409 –

• Thaddeus Paul Wallam-Crane the Eighth and Blaze Donnelly meet in NY.

• The Scavenger Alliance makes plans to leave NY for a new settlement

24??

• Tad goes to Zeus, Beta Sector to lead the effort to reinvent portal technology

2420 -

• Start of the Runners and Changeling Era

2492 -

• Tellon Blaze is born

2510 –

• Tellon Blaze, Thetis chaos year

2605 – 2658 -

• Beta Sector 2nd Roman Empire era

2708/09 –

• Jarra and Draco are Born

2720 –

• Jarra and Draco connect with the Tell Clan

2771 –

• Jarra Tell Feren is born with Immune Syndrome.

Okay, so I've been mulling things over the last few days and finally have enough words on the matter to put something together.

We all know that Tad and Blaze eventually leave NYC and there seems to be a chance that some amount of the alliance could have the opportunity to leave the planet. Whether or not Blaze herself leaves is still to be seen. Personally, I think she will stay and in time Tad will stay on Earth as well. But regardless of that, we know that Blaze and Tad do end up having children. Somewhere along the line Tellon Blaze appears and we are told that he is from Zeus, Beta Sector's capital planet. So some amount of their family must have moved to Zeus in Beta Sector as the Blaze clan was founded before Tellon was born. How much before Tellon was born, we don't know yet.

Eventually we have Draco and Jarra show up as Tellon's decendants. We keep getting hints that something about Draco and Jarra's parentage is important. We've talked that over some already in the other thread and have some ideas, but whatever it is, it's important enough that common knowledge of it is kept secret as only those in the Tell clan and the current GM know the truth. I suspect that secret is only given to those who go through that coming of age ceremony. Meaning that Jarra will eventually learn it. (YAY)

But secrets aside, Draco and Jarra each have decendants of their own. Drago, Dracia, Persephone, Jaxon, Gemelle, and Jarra have all been named outright. And if I'm remembering correctly Jarra's dad had other siblings so there are probably other cousins that decend from the original Jarra. Knowing that Drago and Jarra both carry the same kind of genetic "secret" due to their grandparents I've been wondering a lot of things. The biggest thing I keep coming back to is Renton's choice, or lack thereof, in needing to have either Drago or Jarra take that special promotion mentioned in Your Move,Drago. He says that only Drago or Jarra are suitable for this position and suggests that it's due to popularity concerning recent events that have taken place. However, the more we learn of their possibly special genetic history, the more I'm thinking Renton's decision goes deeper than that. He is the current GM afterall and would know that secret parentage. What if Renton only had that conversation with Drago because of who his great grandparent might be? Yes, Drago has natural leading abilities and so does Jarra, but what if they both have that ability because of who they are decended from? What if their ability to inspire others is part of why Renton needs one of them in this new and special position? I suspect that we will get more information in connection to this in either the next Aftermath book or the first of the Fortuna books.

I'm interested to hear what you guys think though. Am I a nardle to think that there is a bigger puzzle than what we can see happening in the Tell Clan, and particularly with our two most popular clan members?

OMG ..... OMG ...

Cioni’s Apprentices,

Edwards, Janet. Array 2781 (p. 141). Wallam-Crane Press. Kindle Edition.

That's all I'm going to say for now ... what a shocker ...

Petra …

Every time I reread Earth girl series, I think that Jarra or someone should have said something else to her … (I’m no writer, so it could probably be said better)

Yes, it is difficult for those left behind, but you had the opportunity to stay in touch and visit your mother … you probably heard all kinds of nasty things from you father, considering your attitude, but did you ever hear your Mother’s side of the story? Or realized that it could have been you and not your sister that was born an “ape”?

Now that you are an adult, it’s time for you to start making up your own mind and not let others bitterness and hatreds mess up your life, if Krath can become his own person despite his father, surely you can too?

I'm sad that Sol 2781 is still essentially 'on hold', but I'm excited that Drago's story get to be extended! I'm quite excited to have 2 more books from his perspective. Other than Jarra's siblings, Drago is really the only other living Tell clan member I feel like hearing from due to his relationship with Jarra.

Clearly they are still on working on fixing the solar arrays, but what shenanigans do you think Drago and Jaxon will get up to? And will the rest of their fighter team have to rein the in?

So... any thoughts you guys on when we will actually see this book? We were told end of August which is now upon us. Then Janet started saying early September as a release date. Do you think we will see it within the next 10 days? Or do you, like me, believe that we won't see it until late September at the earliest given how many times this book's release date has shifted. Remember, this book was originally supose to be released nearly at least 9 months ago.

So I've started reading the Hive Mind books. Is there a chat space for this books, cause I'd love to see what other folks thought of them.

So I've been wondering for some time what we might learn from Jarra in the upcoming book Earth and Water. We won't know for sure until Janet releases the book, but I have a few ideas about what it may contain. Granted I may be totally wrong about these, but considering what Earth and Fire and Earth and Air were about, I think these are at least possibilities for the the third novella from 2788.

In The End, and the New Beginning, Jarra offhandedly mentions there was a crisis at her Next Step and that she ended up being chased by a Hospital Earth Truancy Inspector. Since we never go any details on that, and Jarra is famous for babbling about stuff mid action, I've been wondering if that event might not be in a later book.

We also get told she became a Next of Kin while on the run from the Truancy Inspector. And at the time she was also still taking lessons from Gradin in an area where there wasn't any archeology currently happening, as the team Velaska temporarily joined was sent in to dig the bones up. And while we do get told some at the memorial ceremony about what happened there, and how it pushed Jarra into wanting to take revenge, I feel there is more to that story than either Valeska or Jarra are telling us.

Also, the fact that Keon and Issette are at the original burial ceremony makes me suspect that they have some sizable rolls to play in this story too.

The changes that I mentioned a bit ago, are rolling out and I believe the new format will be set for everyone here. You will have as an option in "Your Profile" -> "My Preferences" -> "Appearances" to change the Skins. Fandom Desk Top is the new format, Oasis is the old one. But I recommend against changing it back to Oasis because that will go away eventually so you might as well as get use to the new one.

The new format has everything at the top of the screen moved over on the left side. Normally, you probably only care about the bottom two options, the rest are for Fandom as a whole.

I've got everything changed over, I think. Mostly just cosmetic stuff to keep the look the way I had it.

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I am rereading the whole Earth Girl series, as per tradition for each new book from Janet Edwards, and I am seeing things in a brand new light. Specifically, Colonel Torrek.

From what we know of his relationship with the Tell clan, he was most likely not part of Jarra's fake memorial service, and even less likely part of the clan council, so he must be devastated when Jarra, who was the Honour Child of his wife, "died".

18 years later, he got notified of the Honour Ceremony of Jarra Tell Morrath. Imagine his confusion. And then when he got the full information, he must have worked out what the Tell clan had done, without any of the nuances. Now imagine his fury, given his already frosty relationship with them (or maybe this is where he severed all his relationship with them).

But then, what did he do? He went to the ceremony, perform it flawlessly, and went back after a short chat. Even I can't imagine what went on in his head then.

I couldn't find our previous posts about Blaze from earlier today! 😕

So I'm starting a new thread ... ok, she has to keep the name Blaze because of "Tellon Blaze" and the Clan name "Blaze".

I think she is going to become Helena Blaze, that way when people call her Blaze it wont be so confusing to outsiders.

Her middle name may be "Helena" but why wouldn't her father have mentioned that when she sang that song and she asked him who Helena was? of course he was focused on his wife at the time, so may not have mentioned... or she takes the Name Helena in honor of her mother.... either way isn't really important, I don't think, lol ....

I know we really aren't going to know this for sure until SA #3 comes out .... or maybe not even until SA #4 .. I still think Janet is going to write 2 more, I don't think she can get it all into 1 book ...

There were a lot of memorable names on that family tree. There were a lot of completely unmemorable names as well. There were even a few outright lies. I’d only learned the full truth about my ancestry when I was eighteen years old and went through the Tell clan coming of age ceremony. That shattering ordeal

Edwards, Janet. Hestia 2781 (p. 162). Wallam-Crane Press. Kindle Edition.

So has anyone come up with anything about this yet? or are you still digesting everything?

And what is the BIG secret that only the Tell clan and the General Marshall know?

Don't read further if you don't want to know in advance ...

“You’ve made your point,” said Jaxon harshly. “We have to focus on repairing the solar arrays so we can keep the lights on for Jarra.”

Edwards, Janet. Hestia 2781 (p. 267). Wallam-Crane Press. Kindle Edition.

MY thoughts for the next book is that it is going to be centered on identifying and fixing the problems with Earth's Solar Array's not getting the parts they desperately need.

There is going to be more though, because of Drago watching those Vids at the end and not liking them at all.

I also think that it may lead to them finding the person behind the attacks on Jarra and Fian, 8 years later. Remember that Janet went down this rabbit hole because in the 2nd aftermath stories, they were discussing what happened in 2781 and Drago wanted to tell his story first ...

Of course I was pretty wrong about what I thought Hestia 2781 was going to be about, lol .. I really don't mind being wrong, guessing and talking about it is always fun for me ...

Out of ideal curiosity I decided to check Amazon and it's Here!!!!

Hestia 2781 - Kindle edition by Edwards, Janet. Children Kindle eBooks @ Amazon.com.

So, what do your guys think of the title for the book that's dropping in a week or so?

I'm wondering what kind of shenanigans Drago will get up to on Hestia. Also, we know relatively little about that planet, but we do know from other books that Hestia is a planet in near constant fighting. Could we end up seeing Drago learn how to sweet-talk folks/earn his title as the best lier in the Military?

Also, do you think that Jaxon will share the secret about Jarra being alive in this book? I'm assuming yes, as the next book is called Sol 2781. Which makes me think that Drago and Jaxon moves to jobs in Sol system so they can look for their cousin/sister.

Okay okay okay. In anticipation of the new Hestia 2781 book, I'm re-reading Hera 2782. And I found something. Remember how I picked up on duplicate names a month or more back? I just found another one in the first chapter of Hera 2781. And it matches with a name that is pretty well known/referenced in Scavenger Alliance and ScavengerBlood. Kasim, Donnell's old Deputy. In Hera 2781, Kasim Hashmi is a reporter for Alpha Spectrum who is dumb enough to stay on Hera during the comet troubles. I'm curious if there's a reason there is another duplicate name. Or if Janet just forgot she used that name in the Hera story too.

So, there’s been a lot of discussion about what we think is going to happen between Scavenger Alliance time and Tellon Blaze’s time, but there’s another change that I thought of. We’ve mostly been focusing on the military, clan, and division aspects, but there’s also the Wallam-Crane Company.

I think that the Wallam-Crane portal company (I don’t remember what its properly called, so I’m going with that) has to be dispersed between Blaze’s time and Jarra’s time. Obviously, it exists as an immensely powerful corporation during the 26th century. However, Jarra never mentions a Wallam-Crane portal company that still exists, and given her desire to strangle Thaddeus Alexander Wallam-Crane at birth and her hatred for the norms, I think she would rant about a Wallam-Crane portal company if it still existed.

When do I think it happens? Well, my best guess is that any dissolvement of the Wallam-Crane portal company is going to require two factors: an actually strong government, probably in the form of the Parliament of Planets, and willingness of the Wallam-Crane portal company. As the Wallam-Crane portal company is immensely powerful and has portals on every inhabited planet, they could probably overwhelm the power of any individual planet or group of planets that tried to go against them. However, once the Parliament of Planets exists (do we have a time frame for that?), they could establish anti-monopoly laws and break it up or nationalize the company. But practically, it probably would require the agreement of the Wallam-Crane portal company, because I bet they still have immense political influence. I don’t really know what time frame those two factors result in though.

Thoughts? Do you think the Wallam-Crane portal company still exists in the 28th century? When do you think the Wallam-Crane portal company falls?

For anyone not in the U.S.A, what happens if you visit amazon.com?

What I mean by that is do you get the US version of books or does the browser redirect you to amazon.uk, etc (You countries version of Amazon). Thanks!